老钱： 美国大选，选谁？ (一)不要搞社会主义

引用第104楼投票于2012-10-01 08:37发表的  :

如果万一共和党保罗瑞安获胜，那我们还要相信共和党执政的政府吗？

相信群众，相信党。党指到哪里，我们就打到哪里。哦，不是我们，是我们的兵就打到哪里。

投票

Romney先把你偷的税补上，最起码和我们这些中产阶级的纳税率一样，再出来让人们给你投票。

引用第103楼游客于2012-10-01 08:20发表的  :

It should be 47% doesn't pay federal income tax.  SS and Medicare are not really taxes.  They are more like an insurance policy where you may get your money back at old age.  However, the system is flawed where younger people are paying for the older people and the high wage earners paying for the low wage earners. If you study the payment schedule, you would find the payout is heavily tilted toward low wage earners.  So the poor actually getting a good deal out of it.

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If SS is not a tax, could you elect to not pay it? Of course, the poor do get more than they paid from SS and the middle class (especially, the middle class with $100K salary or so) contribute a lot to it and only get a small portion back.

SS is a wellfare TAX that middle class paid for poor  when the Rich do not contribute!! The income Gap for SS should be removed! I voted for Obama last time mainly because he said he would remove the GAP. I do not blame to him because I know those rich  and Republic would not allow him to do so.

引用第106楼投票于2012-10-01 09:24发表的  :
Romney先把你偷的税补上，最起码和我们这些中产阶级的纳税率一样，再出来让人们给你投票。

He has paid every cent he is legally reqired and extra for 2011 (read his released tax form, he did claim deductiion for his charitable donation).  I am sure IRS has already audited him if he didn't.  the question about his rate is fair or not is up for debate.  But he didn't 偷税 as you charged unless you can provide any evidence.

引用第108楼游客于2012-10-01 09:45发表的  :

He has paid every cent he is legally reqired and extra for 2011 (read his released tax form, he did claim deductiion for his charitable donation).  I am sure IRS has already audited him if he didn't.  the question about his rate is fair or not is up for debate.  But he didn't 偷税 as you charged unless you can provide any evidence.

He actually paid more than he owned. He did not deduct his full Charity donation. He paid less rate than us legally.

However, if he hept his own word, he is NOT qualified for Presidency of US.

He has said: "I paid every penny of tax I owned. If I pay more than I own, I would not qualify for Presidency". Please remember, that is his own words!! Now, to make his 2011 tax return does not look too bad, he paid more than he owned. What a joke!

引用第107楼游客于2012-10-01 09:44发表的  :


If SS is not a tax, could you elect to not pay it? Of course, the poor do get more than they paid from SS and the middle class (especially, the middle class with $100K salary or so) contribute a lot to it and only get a small portion back.

SS is a wellfare TAX that middle class paid for poor  when the Rich do not contribute!! The income Gap for SS should be removed! I voted for Obama last time mainly because he said he would remove the GAP. I do not blame to him because I know those rich  and Republic would not allow him to do so.  

Yes, rich, more precisely higher wage earners > $100k since rich is defined by asset not income, paid the same as those who earned $100K.  However, they get the same pay check as those who earned $100K, no more extra benefit.  Why should people who earned their money hard way (these are all earned income, not investment income) be forced to pay for other people's benefit?  is this not wealth distribution or 社会主义?

Yes, our government forced you to pay for these taxes.  That's why you should demand our government not to force you into it instead of asking the government to tax more to fill the gap!

引用第103楼游客于2012-10-01 08:20发表的  :......

So until SS/Med are treated like regular insurance with reasonable assurance, stop saying "lower 47% not paying any taxes"! When you compare how much people get back from SS/Med taxes, you are talking like they are actually TAX,  because how much you can get back from insurance all depends on your luck (or lack of it), not on expectation.

Don't pick and choose "facts" to your advantage.

引用第96楼一剪梅于2012-10-01 05:49发表的 回 93楼(游客) 的帖子 :
付了30多年的社保医保现在共和党要让它们破产，能不生气，能不反常才怪！特别是在有钱为富豪进一步减税，有钱打仗，有钱养一大堆懒虫的情况下，对医保社保见死不救。真真可恶。中产阶级落到这步舅舅不疼，姥姥不爱的地步，活该！多听听Rush Linbough就有希望了

一剪梅，再生气，也不能失去理智。讲话可以随便一点。但是，白纸黑字，你就得注意“政治正确”。你不在意你自己的安全，你也得为168的安全考虑。

为什么要就是跟着欧巴马的宣传转？为什么不能自己研究一下。没时间，可以读读老钱写的，《老钱：谁的错? (三) -- 浅谈税收与富人》。他引用过的IRS税收数据（Fiscal Fact），大家就可以看到真相。

攻其一点，不及其余，正是历史上，所有的独裁者蒙蔽老百姓的惯用手法。这是自由世界，可以睁开你的眼睛。

    1. 在过去三十年，在美国税收总量中，平均来说，最高25%的高收入的部分的人贡献了70%左右；下一个25%贡献了25%左右；其次的25%只贡献了5%左右；最低25%的低收入的部分的人对税收基本是没有贡献的（包括那些靠社会福利，吃救济过日子的，不仅毫无贡献，而且是靠别人的贡献才能生活）。

    2. 具体来看2009年的数据。比较高端1%，5%，10%和低端50%对税收的贡献和税率。

    a.总税收：总人口中，高端1%的人贡献了36.7%的税收；扩展到高端5%，这部分人贡献了58.7%的税收；再扩展到高端10%，这部分人贡献了70.5%的税收；低端的50%的人，才贡献了2.3%！

    b.缴税的税率：总人口中，平均税率是11.06%，高端1%的人平均税率是24.01%，高端5%的平均税率是20.46%，高端10%的平均税率是18.46%，而低端的50%的人只是1.85%！

    c.全国总收入：这高端1% 的人的收入占全部总收入的16.9%（承担36.7%的税，税率是24.01%），高端5%人的收入占全美总收入的31.7%（承担58.7%的税，税率 是20.46%），高端10%人的收入占全美总收入的43.2%（承担了70.5%的税，税率是18.46%）。（顺便提一下，在中国，是0.4%的人掌握了70%的财富）。

    d.再从三十年纵向看，这最高5%的高收入人的赋税贡献，从1980年的36.8%增长到了2009年的58.7%；而低端的50%的人从7%降到了2.3%！

根据IRS的这些统计数据，无论是绝对税额上，还是相对税率上，说富人缴税比穷人低，都是谎话。

Dr.OlympiaLiu

最新消息：   Obama 有可能连任  （09/30/2012）
The Election Poll shows  Obama 持高不下，Romney    很难逆转。
以下为新闻原文：
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Obama Within Reach of Second Term
Associated Press - 09/30/2012

Five weeks to Election Day, President Barack Obama is within reach of the 270 electoral votes needed to win a second term. Republican Mitt Romney's path to victory is narrowing. To overtake Obama, Romney would need to quickly gain the upper hand in nearly all of the nine states where he and Obama are competing the hardest.

Polls show the president with a steady lead in many of them as Romney looks to shift the dynamics of the race, starting with their first debate Wednesday in Denver. If the election were held today, an Associated Press analysis shows Obama would win at least 271 electoral votes, with likely victories in crucial Ohio and Iowa along with 19 other states and the District of Columbia. Romney would win 23 states for a total of 206. 

别争了，别闹了，这些争论都是无用的，徒劳的，而且还劳神的。

热闹呀，闹心呀。选谁？喜欢谁？
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