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求助-高中孩子在学校受到不公正待遇,怎么办?

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匿名  发表于 2011-3-10 11:55:50

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引用第138楼游客于2011-03-10 10:59发表的 Re:回 124楼(游客) 的帖子 :
老师事先、事后是否告诉这题最多可得几分是老师的决定。老师不事先告诉学生发下去的yellow sheet值多少分,这是对班上所有的学生都这样做的吧?只要他是一视同仁,就不能成为什么歧视你孩子的证据。

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老师有责任有义务事先公布各项作业的总分。

大学教授一般在学期初必在课程表上公布每项作业值多少分。为什么呢?有人可能以为当学生的就需要好好学习掌握知识不应该为分数而学习,这种想法是错误的!虽然我也不喜欢学生为分数而学,但在现实社会,分数对学生至关重要,升学,大学时保住奖学金,等等,都要看分数。如果学生来你课上就是为拿个A,学生有他自己充分的原因这样做,老师只有尊重学生的选择。比如,我们都知道,乔州的HOPE奖学金要求学生保持一定GPA。你当老师的可以说的天花乱坠,知识比分数重要,但学生现实的是如果他没拿这个B或A,他就丢了奖学金,你替他付钱啊?所以,事先告诉学生各项作业值多少分,KEEP STUDENTS INFORMED,让判分标准透明化,好处多多:有利于学生安排时间精力(他在我这课上稳拿A了就可以少花精力在这们课上),减少学生对判分公平性的猜测。。。这种做法在美国社会里是很常规的。

我感觉这个年纪大的老师在KEEPING STUDENT INFORMED,MAKING THE PROCESS TRANSPARENT上面稍微有点落伍。
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匿名  发表于 2011-3-10 12:05:07
引用第137楼游客于2011-03-10 10:41发表的  :

你说得真精彩!你教出来的孩子一定是个有主见,有正义感的孩子。
我全身撤出,不再提出参考意见。看来你这次是一定要争出个高低来。
另外,我的小孩很有主见,但是办事很讲策略,不是一条路走到底,现在很成功。
Good Lucky.
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匿名  发表于 2011-3-10 12:23:22
引用第141楼游客于2011-03-10 12:05发表的  :

我全身撤出,不再提出参考意见。看来你这次是一定要争出个高低来。
另外,我的小孩很有主见,但是办事很讲策略,不是一条路走到底,现在很成功。
Good Lucky.

对,讲策略才能全面成功。你孩子真棒,恭喜你!

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匿名  发表于 2011-3-10 12:33:30

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引用第140楼游客于2011-03-10 11:55发表的 Re:Re:回 124楼(游客) 的帖子 :


老师有责任有义务事先公布各项作业的总分。

大学教授一般在学期初必在课程表上公布每项作业值多少分。为什么呢?有人可能以为当学生的就需要好好学习掌握知识不应该为分数而学习,这种想法是错误的!虽然我也不喜欢学生为分数而学,但在现实社会,分数对学生至关重要,升学,大学时保住奖学金,等等,都要看分数。如果学生来你课上就是为拿个A,学生有他自己充分的原因这样做,老师只有尊重学生的选择。比如,我们都知道,乔州的HOPE奖学金要求学生保持一定GPA。你当老师的可以说的天花乱坠,知识比分数重要,但学生现实的是如果他没拿这个B或A,他就丢了奖学金,你替他付钱啊?所以,事先告诉学生各项作业值多少分,KEEP STUDENTS INFORMED,让判分标准透明化,好处多多:有利于学生安排时间精力(他在我这课上稳拿A了就可以少花精力在这们课上),减少学生对判分公平性的猜测。。。这种做法在美国社会里是很常规的。
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谢谢!这就是我要争取的:增加透明度,让学生知道自己在哪并往哪使劲。而不是被蒙在鼓里。
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匿名  发表于 2011-3-10 12:50:55
引用第136楼游客于2011-03-10 10:12发表的  :


我完全不同意你的看法。

1。美国是个尊重个人区别的国家,即使某个学生与众不同,也不能成为老师对他不公平的借口。
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我完全同意你的看法。请不要撤出!
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匿名  发表于 2011-3-10 15:41:23

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引用第84楼游客于2011-03-08 13:37发表的 回 81楼(知足) 的帖子 :
细节是这样的:
孩子对老师讲的课是似懂非懂时就要问过究竟,老师不喜欢她挖得太深,所以对她提问便不耐烦。孩子便不敢再问,却为此而苦恼。我想老师应该有责任让学生弄明白。于是便Email给老师问他何时方便可以见我。但老师4-5天了竟然毫无反应。本人便直接去学校找他。前台工作人员派学生去,学生回来说:老师要明天下午3:45后才能见你。可是前台告知:明天学校close!并建议本人告校长,但校长不在。本人当时也很生气,最后告诉了counselor。那老师当时便有反应并订了预约。那是去年11份的事。但从此对孩子处处为难,便有了后来的故事。

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"孩子对老师讲的课是似懂非懂时就要问过究竟,老师不喜欢她挖得太深,所以对她提问便不耐烦。"  It is a good thing that the child like to ask questions, however, the timing and how to ask need a lot of interpersonal skills.   The child needs to come in with "an help needed" and the teacher is really appreciated after each little help provided to the child.  Then a positive interaction is formed.  If the child comes in with the attitute of get to the bottom, WITHOUT giving the teacher felexibility of how to answer, when to answer (he might have to go for an appointment...).  Then the personal relationship is breakdown.  If children not in USA long enough, might be lack of personal skills.   

"本人当时也很生气,最后告诉了counselor。"  Even adult need to learn how to self control.  Nothing gets done with anger, but damage.

"于是便Email给老师问他何时方便可以见我。但老师4-5天了竟然毫无反应。本人便直接去学校找他。"
I will do the following steps:
1st email,  Thank his hard work, and your child is greatly benefited from his hardwork.  You need some more helps from him, his time and effort is greatly appreciated.  When can I expect your return of email?

Two days later: friendly reminder-2nd request:  Appreciate he read your email, and maybe he overlook your questions, would like to have his response ASAP.  Again, understand he have some much going on daily, and wish he can spare some helping hand to you.

4th day, 3rd request.  I am wondering if this is the right email address, if yes, can you comfirm you received my email and let me know if you can help me?  Otherwise, please direct me to the right channel ask for help.  Again, I understand your busy schedule, would like to thank you in advance.

Don't go to meet someone and have an discussion without an appointment, unless you are going to give a gift suprise!

During the conference, make sure you thank the teacher and school staff willing to arrange the meeting.  And the goal of the meeting is to help you and your child better understand the grading system.  

Both parents and the child need to improve personal and communication skills.
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匿名  发表于 2011-3-10 15:48:41
引用第141楼游客于2011-03-10 12:05发表的  :

我全身撤出,不再提出参考意见。看来你这次是一定要争出个高低来。
另外,我的小孩很有主见,但是办事很讲策略,不是一条路走到底,现在很成功。
Good Lucky.
成功大好了,能分享一下现在干什么吗.
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匿名  发表于 2011-3-10 15:54:49

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引用第145楼游客于2011-03-10 15:41发表的 Re:回 81楼(知足) 的帖子 :


"孩子对老师讲的课是似懂非懂时就要问过究竟,老师不喜欢她挖得太深,所以对她提问便不耐烦。"  It is a good thing that the child like to ask questions, however, the timing and how to ask need a lot of interpersonal skills.   The child needs to come in with "an help needed" and the teacher is really appreciated after each little help provided to the child.  Then a positive interaction is formed.  If the child comes in with the attitute of get to the bottom, WITHOUT giving the teacher felexibility of how to answer, when to answer (he might have to go for an appointment...).  Then the personal relationship is breakdown.  If children not in USA long enough, might be lack of personal skills.   

"本人当时也很生气,最后告诉了counselor。"  Even adult need to learn how to self control.  Nothing gets done with anger, but damage.
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朋友,您讲的这些策略都很好。但是楼主已说了TA的英文有限,您要真心帮楼主,干嘛不用中文呢?
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匿名  发表于 2011-3-10 16:10:59

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引用第147楼游客于2011-03-10 15:54发表的 Re:Re:回 81楼(知足) 的帖子 :


朋友,您讲的这些策略都很好。但是楼主已说了TA的英文有限,您要真心帮楼主,干嘛不用中文呢?

"您要真心帮楼主,干嘛不用中文呢?" Sorry I don't know how to type in Chinese yet.  I want to offer ideas ASAP, for LZ and any other parents.  
She need to find a good translator for the meeting right now.  Then she need to catch up her skills both in English and interperonal interaction.
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匿名  发表于 2011-3-10 17:24:10

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引用第145楼游客于2011-03-10 15:41发表的 Re:回 81楼(知足) 的帖子 :


"孩子对老师讲的课是似懂非懂时就要问过究竟,老师不喜欢她挖得太深,所以对她提问便不耐烦。"  It is a good thing that the child like to ask questions, however, the timing and how to ask need a lot of interpersonal skills.   The child needs to come in with "an help needed" and the teacher is really appreciated after each little help provided to the child.  Then a positive interaction is formed.  If the child comes in with the attitute of get to the bottom, WITHOUT giving the teacher felexibility of how to answer, when to answer (he might have to go for an appointment...).  Then the personal relationship is breakdown.  If children not in USA long enough, might be lack of personal skills.   

"本人当时也很生气,最后告诉了counselor。"  Even adult need to learn how to self control.  Nothing gets done with anger, but damage.
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我有儿子在读高中,我比较了解:高中学生时间很紧,下课忙于找教室,放学忙于赶校车.唯一可用的是到校后上课前的那几分钟,很难做到象你说的那么悠着来.
再说你没看清楚:"老师要明天下午3:45后才能见你。可是前台告知:明天学校close!" 要换了我,我也会生气.
找个老师千呼万唤未出来,美国教师就真的那么牛吗?
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