老钱： 美国大选，选谁？ (一)不要搞社会主义

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引用第165楼游客于2012-10-02 11:16发表的  :

There is a lot of government waste there.  I am sure we can cut over 20% government employees, make the rest 80% work half as hard as private company employees and we will have higher productivity.

In terms of SS and Medicare, any honest person will agree that it can't go on forever as it is now.  they have to be changed since the country just can't afford it.  The only thing is how to change it so that it makes minimum impact on the retirees.  Any politician who promises no cut in SS and Medicare is either lying to the public or not knowing what he is talking about. Romney’s running mate Paul Ryan is talking about these programs.  I will give him credit for starting the debate.  Not like Obama who is tring to hide the truth and get himself reelected.

说奥巴马为广大民众花了高额医疗保险就对了。说明奥巴马是为美国人民办实事的人。共和党把钱都补贴给富豪们了，奥巴马把钱花给老百姓了。你们一口一声的说削减政府开支。要政府大量裁剪人员，又要造成一批人员失业，没饭吃。只能说你们这帮人黑心肠无人性。说白了你们就是怕奥巴马政府监督你们，尤其是那些富豪们。如果共和党当政你们就可以为所欲为。

引用第167楼一剪梅于2012-10-02 11:39发表的  :

Yes, 6.4% SS plus 4.2% Medicare is more than 10%. Now you're ok?
My employer also pays employment tax on my salary. part of which could be in my pocket. Adding that to my income, it's pretty close to 30%. Does anyone pay for employment tax on "Capital Gain"?

唉。。。一剪梅啊一剪梅。

往常，SS是6.2%，MC是1.45%，一共是7.65%。2012年，雇员的SS减为4.2%，所以，你付了5.65%，雇主为你付了 7.65%。如果你自己单干，你就得付 5.65%+7.65%=13.3%。

关于“Capital  Gains”，一剪梅问：”凭什麽投资収人就该只交百分之十五？“。这是经济规律，是根据经济学，市场，心理，社会实践，社会效果，几十年形成的。这不是那个政党的决定，也不是一个国家的。也不是为富人量身定做的。这是经济，投资的规律。对所有的投资人，都一样。

引用第169楼169于2012-10-02 13:01发表的  :

说奥巴马为广大民众花了高额医疗保险就对了。说明奥巴马是为美国人民办实事的人。共和党把钱都补贴给富豪们了，奥巴马把钱花给老百姓了。你们一口一声的说削减政府开支。要政府大量裁剪人员，又要造成一批人员失业，没饭吃。只能说你们这帮人黑心肠无人性。说白了你们就是怕奥巴马政府监督你们，尤其是那些富豪们。如果共和党当政你们就可以为所欲为。  

This what I posted on another thread:

His health care plan is beyond the country can afford. Please look at Greece, Spain and Italy, when a leader ignores the basic principle of budgeting, the long term effect is to detroy the country fiscally and  the people in that country will suffer in the future. Of course, I also love to get handout without working for it. But is it sustainable??

If you can tell me how to keep his level of the deficit spending without hurting the country in a long run, I will be all eared.  Otherwise, let’s stop the future fiscal train wreck when we still can!!

Btw, don’t you see how inefficient our government is?  Look at our public employees’ pension plan and health care plan.  They are all better than our private industries.  Why should our tax payers support those plans while their productivities are lower than us?  You can’t reduce unemployment rate by provide free jobs to lazy people (or the government jobs made them lazy).  You reduce unemployment rate by promote sound economic policies and make US work force more competitive in the world economy.

On the deficit, look, Bush tax cut started in his first trem of 2001 and 2003 and the Iraq war started in 2003.  if you look at the deficit figure below (the 2nd column of deficit is inflation adjusted and higher than the other column.  the last few columns indicate the control of a government branch.  D for Dem and R for Rep. first column is white house, 2nd is senate, 3rd is house) source: http://www.davemanuel.com/histor ... e-united-states.php



2001   $127.3 Billion Surplus                    $164.9 Billion Surplus         R D R
2002    $157.8 Billion Deficit                      $201.02 Billion Deficit         R D R
2003   $377.6 Billion Deficit                       $470.82 Billion Deficit         R R R
2004   $413 Billion Deficit                           $501.21 Billion Deficit         R R R
2005   $318 Billion Deficit                          $373.24 Billion Deficit         R R R
2006   $248 Billion Deficit                          $282.14 Billion Deficit         R R R
2007   $161 Billion Deficit                          $178.1 Billion Deficit            R D D
2008   $459 Billion Deficit                          $488.82 Billion Deficit         R D D
2009   $1413 Billion Deficit                        $1509.62 Billion Deficit       D D D
2010   $1294 Billion Deficit                        $1360.67 Billion Deficit       D D D
2011   $1299 Billion Deficit                        $1324.16 Billion Deficit       D D R
2012   $1100 Billion Deficit                        $1100 Billion Deficit             D D R



Bush run much smaller deficit even with the war and tax cut.  However, after Obama took the office, he starts the spending like crazy.  Can you really put all the blame on Bush?  Remember, Obama got a huge lift form our Federal reserve which printed close to $3 trillion out of thin air!!  But he still fails to cut our deficit!!

Romney 经常说一些不可能的事情来取悦选民，比如减税：
"We need policies such as 20 percent across-the-board cuts in tax rates, sensible regulation, and open markets that create a growing economy" -- Mitt Romney

网上调侃：
"The math behind how Romney can give everyone a 20% tax cut without bankrupting the government is just way too advanced for us regular folk to understand. It's unfathomably complex, like string theory. You'd have to grasp that the universe is actually 11 coexistent dimensions, eight of which is where Romney shelters his wealth." -- Stephen Colbert

引用第172楼游客于2012-10-02 14:19发表的  :

Thank you very much for the information. If a person is smarter enough, he should be able to get How Democrat and Republic have been doing on the national deficient:

Under Bush, the deficient hs been increased from Clinton's SURPLUS of $127.3 B in 2001 to $1413 B in 2009. And Obama has reduced deficient from Bush's $1413 B in 2009 to $1011B in 2012.

YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER. The budget is defined one year before. 2001 budget has been decided in 2000 When Clicnton is in office and Bush could not change it even he is in office. Same as in 2009, Bush's government decided the budget for 2009 and Obama could not change it even he is in office.

I always heard some republic saying Republic is better for economy. Both jobs created and stock market performance, Democrat presidency has much better than Republic. These are cold number you could find online.

How was the stock market performed under Bush's 8 years? I guess many here could still remember. How much the stock market has been up since Obama took office? I guess many here know it from their own portfolio.

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2001   $127.3 Billion Surplus                    $164.9 Billion Surplus         R D R
2002    $157.8 Billion Deficit                      $201.02 Billion Deficit         R D R
2003   $377.6 Billion Deficit                       $470.82 Billion Deficit         R R R
2004   $413 Billion Deficit                           $501.21 Billion Deficit         R R R
2005   $318 Billion Deficit                          $373.24 Billion Deficit         R R R
2006   $248 Billion Deficit                          $282.14 Billion Deficit         R R R
2007   $161 Billion Deficit                          $178.1 Billion Deficit            R D D
2008   $459 Billion Deficit                          $488.82 Billion Deficit         R D D
2009   $1413 Billion Deficit                        $1509.62 Billion Deficit       D D D
2010   $1294 Billion Deficit                        $1360.67 Billion Deficit       D D D
2011   $1299 Billion Deficit                        $1324.16 Billion Deficit       D D R
2012   $1100 Billion Deficit                        $1100 Billion Deficit             D D R

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引用第172楼游客于2012-10-02 14:19发表的  :

This what I posted on another thread:

His health care plan is beyond the country can afford. Please look at Greece, Spain and Italy, when a leader ignores the basic principle of budgeting, the long term effect is to detroy the country fiscally and  the people in that country will suffer in the future. Of course, I also love to get handout without working for it. But is it sustainable??

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这些都是前共和党执政时留下的后遗症，不应该算到奥巴马身上。如果共和党再执政会更糟糕。美国就真的是水深火热了。

引用第165楼游客于2012-10-02 11:16发表的  :

There is a lot of government waste there.  I am sure we can cut over 20% government employees, make the rest 80% work half as hard as private company employees and we will have higher productivity.

In terms of SS and Medicare, any honest person will agree that it can't go on forever as it is now.  they have to be changed since the country just can't afford it.  The only thing is how to change it so that it makes minimum impact on the retirees.  Any politician who promises no cut in SS and Medicare is either lying to the public or not knowing what he is talking about. Romney’s running mate Paul Ryan is talking about these programs.  I will give him credit for starting the debate.  Not like Obama who is tring to hide the truth and get himself reelected.

One simple change would save the SS, remove the CAP,  and keep the payout formula. Remove the Cap so high earners pay the same rate of SS as low earners. They could get more benefit but use the same formula as what some $100K eaners would get. However, I do not think we could pass the law since rich are so powerful in this country.

在168 华人社区为总统候选人拉选票有点不合时宜。Georgia投Obama和Romney的票的比例基本上是25：75。即使全Georgia的华人都去投Obama的票，最多把比例变成26：74，最终结果还是0/16。即使所有的华人都不去投票，Romney还是能拿走全部的16票。这就是为什么两个竞选团队都不浪费时间来关心Georgia选民声音的原因。
这种早就知道结果的选举，大家不是不知道，哪来这么大的兴趣来讨论谁应当当选。
有这精力，好好研究一下参议员、众议员、地方官员候选人以及州、County、地方待投法案，认真去行使你的公民投票权。至于投票时的第一项，总统府总统搭档，你就是闭着眼睛用脚投也不会投错。

引用第176楼游客于2012-10-02 15:05发表的  :


One simple change would save the SS, remove the CAP,  and keep the payout formula. Remove the Cap so high earners pay the same rate of SS as low earners. They could get more benefit but use the same formula as what some $100K eaners would get. However, I do not think we could pass the law since rich are so powerful in this country.

Why one always thinks to take it from someone and give to another one?  Would anyone agree to pay more for less service?  That is wealth distribution and soci alism. 劫富济贫 policy will not work for long until the riches disappears either they lose the incentives to work or flee the country.

I think we should use the basic financial and accounting rules, everyone gets what they paid for.  Run it truly like an insurance policy.  your pay out will be based on your policy premium and the age your join.  I am sure, there is no private insurance company, even for non profit, will write such an policy like SS and Medicare where payout is greater than revenue.  Only our selfish politicians do it for their own political agenda and for buying votes.

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引用第177楼游客于2012-10-02 15:17发表的  :
在168 华人社区为总统候选人拉选票有点不合时宜。Georgia投Obama和Romney的票的比例基本上是25：75。即使全Georgia的华人都去投Obama的票，最多把比例变成26：74，最终结果还是0/16。即使所有的华人都不去投票，Romney还是能拿走全部的16票。这就是为什么两个竞选团队都不浪费时间来关心Georgia选民声音的原因。
这种早就知道结果的选举，大家不是不知道，哪来这么大的兴趣来讨论谁应当当选。
有这精力，好好研究一下参议员、众议员、地方官员候选人以及州、County、地方待投法案，认真去行使你的公民投票权。至于投票时的第一项，总统府总统搭档，你就是闭着眼睛用脚投也不会投错。

每个公民都有投票的权利和责任。即使是参议员、众议员、地方官员候选人我们也不会投Romney。