老钱：美国大选，选谁？（四）不搞“阶级斗争”

引用第19楼游客于2012-10-08 21:21发表的  :
没赌博赌场的工作机会从哪里来？那些做金融衍生物的又产生什么工作机会？那些做外包投资的又产生什么工作机会？在美国股市的又不只是美国公司，投资外国公司的也不创造美国的工作机会但税率还是低. 投资不一定和创造工作机会有关。

Casinos can be created without a single gambler.  However, that casino will fail and investors will lose their investment.  This is the risk associated with investing and why it should come with high reward.  

Derivatives do have their place in financial planning to hedge the risks.  However, some of them go to the extremes by taking advantage of the loopholes.  But you don’t throw the baby with the bath water.

Capital is global; its purpose is to make more money.  So it can create job anywhere as long as it makes money for its investors.

Give me a break! 美国的Economic mobility是发达国家中最差的。

引用第23楼匿名于2012-10-08 21:35发表的  :

老钱在文章里谈到，在美国，穷富不一定是天生的，世袭的。今天的所谓“富人”昨天曾是穷人，今天的某些穷人昨天可能是“富人”。 所以；
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老钱坚定地为那些满足于不劳而获去花别人钱的的所谓“穷人”羞愧，
为那些通过个人努力成功致富的所谓“富人”说话。
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所以投资不但不一定在美国产生工作机会，还可能减少美国的工作机会，所以他们的低税率是不合理的。事实上直接产生大量工作机会的投资都会有很多TAX incentive，不需要再通过低税率来奖励了。

引用第24楼游客于2012-10-08 21:38发表的  :

Casinos can be created without a single gambler.  However, that casino will fail and investors will lose their investment.  This is the risk associated with investing and why it should come with high reward.  

Derivatives do have their place in financial planning to hedge the risks.  However, some of them go to the extremes by taking advantage of the loopholes.  But you don’t throw the baby with the bath water.

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所以投资的目的并不是产生工作机会而是赚钱，不赚钱你给再低的税率也没人会投资，并不是降低税率富人就会拿钱去投资的，而且目前并不差投资资金，市场上有很多风险基金，缺的是投资的机会和赚钱的项目。

引用第24楼游客于2012-10-08 21:38发表的  :

Casinos can be created without a single gambler.  However, that casino will fail and investors will lose their investment.  This is the risk associated with investing and why it should come with high reward.  

Derivatives do have their place in financial planning to hedge the risks.  However, some of them go to the extremes by taking advantage of the loopholes.  But you don’t throw the baby with the bath water.

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引用第22楼游客于2012-10-08 21:35发表的  :
The economy needs investment to create jobs! And in many ways, it does. But when we tax income from investments at such a low rate (capped at 15 percent), much of what we're rewarding isn't really job creation. After all, if I invest in a start-up company and provide that company with some of the capital they need to expand, I've helped to create jobs. But let's say I buy a few shares of General Electric and then sell them a few months later after the share price goes up. Has my investment created any jobs? No. When I bought the shares, the money didn't go to G.E. so they could build a new plant—if they decide to do that, it'll be because they have demand for their products and the money to build it. My money went to another investor looking to sell his shares. The trading of G.E.'s shares is just me and a bunch of other investors gaining or losing some money depending on the movement of the share price.

As I said, the exact rate capital gain tax could be debated, but it should be at a lower rate.

The stock price in general is supported by the health of its company.  So by investor's buying and selling a company's stock, it creates a market value of that company.  The  company then can use its stock to do M&A (merge and acquisition) or get new finance to expend its business.  So it is not as simple as you presented.  If you really want to how the capital market works, please study about it.  There are plenty of information needs to be learned.  It is not as simple as 1,2,3.

我看你才是不懂需要学的，开口就是投资创造工作，你连投资有那些都没搞清，你文中的公司不一定是美国公司，为什么要给这种投资低税率？愿意冒风险投资是个人的选择，和创造工作机会没相关的关系。

引用第28楼游客于2012-10-08 21:55发表的  :

As I said, the exact rate capital gain tax could be debated, but it should be at a lower rate.

The stock price in general is supported by the health of its company.  So by investor's buying and selling a company's stock, it creates a market value of that company.  The  company then can use its stock to do M&A (merge and acquisition) or get new finance to expend its business.  So it is not as simple as you presented.  If you really want to how the capital market works, please study about it.  There are plenty of information needs to be learned.  It is not as simple as 1,2,3.  

引用第29楼游客于2012-10-08 22:01发表的  :
我看你才是不懂需要学的，开口就是投资创造工作，你连投资有那些都没搞清，你文中的公司不一定是美国公司，为什么要给这种投资低税率？愿意冒风险投资是个人的选择，和创造工作机会没相关的关系。

最近十多年的一个普遍现象：公司一宣布大规模裁员，股票一定会大幅度上涨。

而且华尔街投机家一切以股价为标准，只关心公司的短期收益而不顾长期机会，造成很多公司为了达成短期的目标而大规模裁人，这种投资反而减少了工作机会。

引用第28楼游客于2012-10-08 21:55发表的  :

As I said, the exact rate capital gain tax could be debated, but it should be at a lower rate.

The stock price in general is supported by the health of its company.  So by investor's buying and selling a company's stock, it creates a market value of that company.  The  company then can use its stock to do M&A (merge and acquisition) or get new finance to expend its business.  So it is not as simple as you presented.  If you really want to how the capital market works, please study about it.  There are plenty of information needs to be learned.  It is not as simple as 1,2,3.  

引用第31楼游客于2012-10-08 22:08发表的  :
而且华尔街投机家一切以股价为标准，只关心公司的短期收益而不顾长期机会，造成很多公司为了达成短期的目标而大规模裁人，这种投资反而减少了工作机会。

the short term capital gains are taxed the same as regular income.  Some times, laidoff people is for the long term good of a company.  Business expands and shrink based on the market condition.

股票一年以上就算long term了，但一个公司并不只需看一年。很多大规模地裁人只是为了达到华尔街的短期目标，并不是从公司的长期利益出发，华尔街只要短期转手拿到钱，把股票卖了钱赚到手，公司的长期前途和他们没关系。

引用第32楼游客于2012-10-08 22:19发表的  :

the short term capital gains are taxed the same as regular income.  Some times, laidoff people is for the long term good of a company.  Business expands and shrink based on the market condition.