听说过亚特兰大曾变成了人间地狱吗？

老夫

引用第59楼游客于2013-09-19 07:21发表的  :
老夫用的照片，真有其人，就在亚特兰大，那么，他自己会找老夫打官司。为什么要别人来瞎操心？
Identity theft is a big issue in these days. A lot of people used other people's SSN to file tax return. A lot of criminals try to us other people identity to get access to do various crimes.

We have fake iPhone, fake medicine, fake wine (Maotai),

.......

哈哈，您连注册一下都不敢，还在这里嚷嚷，真厉害！真公平呀！请收罗所有您可以想到的方方面面，一次次，一句句详细的贴上来，让大伙时时记得"fake",希望别停下来，千万别停下来，直到FBOI找到老夫算账

cresco

其实就像过去上几辈的人，老人还健在兄弟分家是大逆不道，众人喊打的坏事。现在却变得平常可以接受的事实。以前苏联把众多的小国凑一块儿来统治，车臣等闹独立，也被镇压得很惨。然而现在不少独立成为东欧小国，俄罗斯也没有让哪国可以轻视。今夏去了圣彼得堡和东欧几个小国。看到各国各地的人民还昰有快乐満足的，也有怨气连天的。治家治国都不容易，历史上分分合合，日光之下并无新事。然而为了政治上的利益和理念，拿平民百姓性命和家园当炮灰却是让人不可原谅。战争是残酷的，但无论如何泛杀无辜是不可取的行为。

要求一个州独立是法律保证的基本权利,2012年多个州的公民行事了这项权利,向白宫提交独立要求, 也没见军方镇压.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_state_petitions_for_secession

2012 state petitions for secession

The 2012 state petitions for secession were a citizen originated petition drive using the White House's petitioning system. By November 14, 2012 all 50 US states have had petitions filed by their citizens.[1][2] Generally, each petition seeks peaceful secession and independence for their respective states from the United States of America.
Contents

    1 Historical background
    2 Petition background
    3 State petitions
    4 Official reactions
    5 Related petitions
    6 Media reactions
    7 See also
    8 References

Historical background
Main article: Secession in the United States

The question of secession (from the Union) has had a long history in American politics. The first region to threaten secession was New England during the War of 1812. The last serious attempt occurred during the American Civil War (1861–65) when 11 southern states declared independence; war soon broke out. Since then most efforts have met with little support. Modern attempts at serious state independence have arisen in Alaska, Hawaii and Vermont as well as through the efforts of southern organizations like the League of the South.
Petition background

The petitions began Nov. 7, 2012, when "Michael E" from Slidell, Louisiana[3] created an online petition requesting the Obama administration &quoteacefully grant the State of Louisiana to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government."[4] The petition originally started as a response to the 2012 presidential election but since then it has grown into a national movement and encompasses many grievances, namely economic problems and the expansion of the federal government. By 6 AM (EST), Nov. 14th, the various petitions had garnered over 675,000 signatures.[5] Such petitions are largely symbolic in nature and few, if any, people expect any state to actually secede as a result of these petitions.[6]

Since these petitions were started by individual citizens, and not by the states themselves, no official state petition is being made and they have little to no legal standing.[7]
State petitions
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According to the We the People petitioning site, the largest petitions have the following signature count:

    Arizona: 23,987
    Arkansas: 23,506
    Colorado: 22,720
    Indiana: 21,932
    Missouri: 20,562
    Michigan: 19,981
    Kentucky: 19,344
    Mississippi: 18,861
    Oklahoma: 18,360
    New York: 15,361
    California: 15,220
    Oregon: 15,007
    New Jersey: 14,487
    Pennsylvania: 13,971
    Montana: 13,733
    Ohio: 12,040
    North Dakota: 11,744
    Nevada: 10,706
    Wyoming: 9,341
    Virginia: 9,102
    Kansas: 8,857
    Utah: 8,446
    Alaska: 8,099
    West Virginia: 8,084
    Delaware: 7,804
    Nebraska: 7,394
    Wisconsin: 7,386
    South Dakota: 6,716
    Idaho: 6,450
    Minnesota: 5,807
    New Hampshire: 5,640
    Illinois: 5,520
    New Mexico: 5,329
    Iowa: 5,276
    Rhode Island: 4,826
    Washington: 4,600
    Maine: 4,344
    Hawaii: 4,269
    Massachusetts: 4,254
    Maryland: 4,176
    Connecticut: 3,910
    Vermont: 2,656

Official reactions

Petitions that receive over 25,000 signatures within 30 days of their filing make them eligible to receive an official response from the White House. Over time, several elected officials have responded.

    A spokeswoman for Alabama governor Robert Bentley said in an email “Governor Bentley believes in one nation under God." "We can disagree on philosophy, but we should work together to make this country the best it can be."[8]
    Tennessee's governor, Bill Haslam, said “I don’t think that’s a valid option for Tennessee...I don’t think we’ll be seceding.”[9]
    Texas governor Rick Perry's press secretary Catherine Frazier released a statement saying "Gov. [Rick] Perry believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it..." "But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government."[10]
    Speaking on the matter, a spokeswoman for Republican presidential candidate and US Representative from Texas, Ron Paul said "[He] feels the same now" as he did in 2009 when he said "It’s very American to talk about secession -- that’s how we came into being."[11]

On January 15, 2013, the White House officially stated that they will not allow the states to secede.[12]
Related petitions

In addition to the individual petitions for secession several related and counter petitions were also filed. One asks that those states who have filed petitions to be allowed to peacefully form their own new governments or to allow those seceded states to collectively "form a new government all together". Several others ask that the administration punish those who sign secession petitions by revoking their citizenship and deporting and/or exiling them.[13] Additional petitions ask that certain cities, such as Austin, Texas, be allowed to remain in the United States should their state secede. All of these petitions have less than 20,000 signatures.
Media reactions

When the number of petitions began to grow media outlets nationwide started to carry stories detailing the issue and interviewing various individuals and groups associated with the petition drive. Phil Valentine,[14] Sean Hannity,[15] Alex Jones[16] and others have all dedicated time to doing interviews or discussing the reasons behind the drive and its implications.

weiqi

引用第61楼cresco于2013-09-19 08:23发表的 :
其实就像过去上几辈的人，老人还健在兄弟分家是大逆不道，众人喊打的坏事。现在却变得平常可以接受的事实。以前苏联把众多的小国凑一块儿来统治，车臣等闹独立，也被镇压得很惨。然而现在不少独立成为东欧小国，俄罗斯也没有让哪国可以轻视。今夏去了圣彼得堡和东欧几个小国。看到各国各地的人民还昰有快乐満足的，也有怨气连天的。治家治国都不容易，历史上分分合合，日光之下并无新事。然而为了政治上的利益和理念，拿平民百姓性命和家园当炮灰却是让人不可原谅。战争是残酷的，但无论如何泛杀无辜是不可取的行为。

Good point.

德州独立意愿最强烈, 白宫必须正面回应,虽然最后的结局是否定.

Texas Secession Petition Tops Goal - Requires Review By White House Read more:

http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/1 ... ouse/#ixzz2fLkTX0wY
Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/1 ... 69M10zhhbbiZV1k3.99

As I reported over the weekend, Texas and Louisiana citizens began petitions to the White House to peacefully withdraw from the United States and then yesterday that number had grown to nearly forty states. As this happened, the Texas petition topped it's goal of 20,000 signatures. As of the writing of this article, the Texas petition has 70,278 signatures, nearly three times the amount required to be reviewed by the White House. According to the White House petition site, once the petition reaches 25,000 signatures within 30 days "White House staff will review it, ensure it’s sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response." Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/1 ... ouse/#ixzz2fLkcBqRC
Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/1 ... 69M10zhhbbiZV1k3.99

weiqi

树大招风，明枪暗箭，版主们都体验过。

别着急，等着瞧，在这块大陆上，闹割据闹独立早晚要成潮流，到那时再看。

引用第55楼游客于2013-09-18 20:52发表的  :

跟美国好像关系不大哦，可是，可但是，但可是，为什么美国要在钓鱼岛上偏袒不认罪的日本呢，
忘了珍珠岛曾被日本变成人间地狱了么，不在乎或许还有一天，美国的夏威夷或者关岛会再被日本轰炸成人间地狱吗。。。

还不是怕说话不算话，在小兄弟们面前丢了分。其实这也是早晚要发生的事，难道真有永不衰落的帝国吗。

引用第61楼cresco于2013-09-19 08:23发表的  :
其实就像过去上几辈的人，老人还健在兄弟分家是大逆不道，众人喊打的坏事。现在却变得平常可以接受的事实。以前苏联把众多的小国凑一块儿来统治，车臣等闹独立，也被镇压得很惨。然而现在不少独立成为东欧小国，俄罗斯也没有让哪国可以轻视。今夏去了圣彼得堡和东欧几个小国。看到各国各地的人民还昰有快乐満足的，也有怨气连天的。治家治国都不容易，历史上分分合合，日光之下并无新事。然而为了政治上的利益和理念，拿平民百姓性命和家园当炮灰却是让人不可原谅。战争是残酷的，但无论如何泛杀无辜是不可取的行为。

顶！

可有人偏偏玩文字游戏，认为饿死的老百姓不是被所谓“屠城”杀害的，话里话外的意思是我们围城的土匪也没辙，我们可以陪你们哭，但你们还是得饿死，谁让你们守军不投降的？

本来无意加入这场口水战，但看到有人如此冷血，实在坐不住了。

战争是残酷的，战争是政治家得到统治（控制）地位的手段，士兵是炮灰，受害最深的是百姓。
但是，胜者王侯败者寇。败了，就是屠城；胜了，就是为了大多数人不遭伤害必要的牺牲。亚特兰大与长春一样，无不例外。美军在伊拉克造成的平民伤害，也是不得已的必要的牺牲。
等到世界文明到士兵不去为政治家当炮灰卖命，百姓才能躲开战争的涂炭。